The Hyrulian Pantheon: The Hylia Problem

The WolfessAugust 29th, 2012 by The Wolfess

The subject of the goddess Hylia is a confusing mass of tales at this point, yet to be delved into and sorted out by theorists of the fan community. Before Skyward Sword even starts we are told a legend about her, passed down by the Hylians of Skyloft, which tells of her duty guarding the “ultimate power” from the demonic hoards rising from the earth. It shows her putting the remaining Hylians on an outcropping of earth and using her power to raise both it and the ultimate power into the sky. She then drove Demise, leader of the hoard, into the earth and sealed him there.

 
After hearing this tale we enter into the world of Skyloft, a floating island dominated by a gigantic statue of the goddess. No one seems to know her name, or the name or form of the ultimate power she guarded, but they worship her all the same It seems that she was their chief goddess for some time rather than the three golden goddesses, who the people didn’t really know much about.

 

Statue of the Goddess on Skyloft

 
In this chapter, we will tackle the nature and purpose of the Goddess Hylia, addressing the conundrum she and her tales present to the Hyrulian Pantheon. First, as this is the first thing we discover about her, we will look at her relationship to the Triforce and the three goddesses. Then we will examine her relationship to time and its flow, her role in creating the cycle, and lastly her relationship to Demise and place in the Hyrulian Pantheon.

 
These are the first words we hear on the Triforce and Hylia:

 
“They did all this in their lust to take the ultimate power protected by Her Grace, the goddess. The power she guarded was without equal. Handed down by the gods of old, this power gave its holder the means to make any desire a reality. Such was the might of the ultimate power that the old ones placed it in the care of the goddess.”

 
Remember that this is the legend as it was passed down over generations by the Hylians themselves. We know the goddess protects the Triforce, and they understand the Triforce only as an ultimate power that grants the holder anything he wishes. It’s kind of like a genie’s magic lamp to them: the ability to have one wish, one desire, no matter what it is. They understand that there are “gods of old” but seem to know little to nothing about them.

 

The Triforce (LttP)

 
Of note in this tale is the idea that the Triforce was given to the goddess for her to protect. This leads us to think that the goddesses themselves gave Hylia the Triforce, which would be counter to the idea that it was an accidental creation left behind when the goddesses left the world to govern itself. If it is true that the goddesses gave her the Triforce, then this means that they created it on purpose. Zelda tells Link her theory on why the goddesses left the Triforce behind:

 
“It’s impossible to know the true reason why the old gods created the Triforce. But I have a theory of my own. The gods created the Triforce, yet they specifically designed it so that their own kind could never use its power. Somehow, I think that may have been their way of giving hope to all the mortal beings of the land.”

 
I call this Zelda’s theory rather than Hylia’s because of a few contradictions in it. We know that at this point Zelda has all of Hylia’s memories back. A few moments before, she had said: “The old gods created a supreme power that gave anyone who possessed it the ability to shape reality and fulfill any desire. They called it the Triforce.” This is a much more accurate description of what the Triforce does, and the first time it is directly called the Triforce. This is obviously a memory from Hylia herself, and not from Zelda.

 
However, in the above quote she says two things that are contradictory to this and to the legend told by the Hylians. First, how could Hylia know what the Triforce does and what it’s called if she can’t use it? The goddesses must have told her when they asked her to guard it. However, in this statement she says “It is impossible to know why the old gods created the Triforce.” How could she not know why the goddesses created the Triforce if they directly gave it to her to guard?

 
The only answer is that the goddesses did not ask her to guard the Triforce. Someone else did. But who were they? The answer lies in the specific phrasing and imagery used in the moment we are told the goddess was given the Triforce to protect.

 
The goddesses are called “the gods of old” but rather than calling them the “old gods” in the next phrase, like Zelda did in explaining the Triforce to Link, the legend says that “the old ones” gave her the Triforce to guard. When this is said, we are being shown an image of the ancestors of the Skyloftians praying around the Triforce. These could have been the original “people of Hyrule” spoken of in the old, old legend from a Link to the Past who are said to have forged the Master Sword.

 

The people in prayer around the Triforce

 
The English manual to a Link to the Past said that after Ganon entered the Golden Land and obtained the Triforce, the people of Hyrule and the Seven Sages created a sword resistant to magic, which could even repulse powers granted by the Triforce. Although the Sages tried to find someone brave to wield the Master Sword, they never found such a person, leaving the Sages, with the aid of the knights of Hyrule, to seal away Ganon instead. (Note how similar this sounds to the opening legend of Skyward Sword where Demise is sealed, and Hylia is looking for a hero to wield the Goddess Sword.)

 

The Sages (LttP)

 
However, the Japanese manual states that it was forged long before the Imprisoning War occurred. Shortly after the creation of the world, the Goddesses instructed the people of Hyrule to forge a sword that would have the power to vanquish anyone who misused the Triforce. The location of the blade was already forgotten by the time of the Imprisoning War, and no hero was found worthy of wielding it. It is noteworthy that the “people of Hyrule” themselves are named and not necessarily specific sages, as is said in both the English manual and in Ocarina of Time.

 
This presents the first “Hylia Problem”: In Skyward Sword the goddess herself says that she forged the Goddess Sword for her chosen hero to wield, and Link tempers it on his adventures until it becomes the Master Sword. The original story was, however, that the people of Hyrule and/or the sages forged the Master Sword. Which story is true?

 
I believe that they both are, and that these Hylian ancestors are both the “people of Hyrule” and the ancient sages. Sages didn’t really exist, as there is no reference to a culture that fully formed at that time, however these “old ones” could have been serving the goddess Hylia and the Triforce. It could be that these people, fearing the rise of Demise who was terrorizing the earth, asked the goddess to protect the Triforce and themselves. The goddess then forged the sword for them, or helped them forge it if we’re looking at the story in a Link to the Past, and sent the island into the sky to protect the people, the sword, and the Triforce until she found a worthy hero to wield it.

 
One last note on the creation of the master sword involves Hylia’s true role in that process. If the people of Hyrule created it, under the goddesses instruction perhaps, then what role did Hylia really have? Why are the people so adamant in saying that she forged the Master Sword for her chosen hero? The only time Zelda speaks of the creation of the Master Sword, she says:

 
“In order to put an end to the demon king, Hylia devised two separate plans and set them both into motion. First, she created Fi. She made the spirit that resides in your sword to serve a single purpose: to assist her chosen hero on his mission.”

 
Hylia doesn’t claim to have made the sword. She claims to have made Fi who resides in the sword. The people could very well have forged the sword themselves, as Fi is what makes it holy and special.

 
This theory ties together not only the seemingly different accounts of how Hylia came to protect the Triforce, but also the different legends of the Master Sword’s creation. The people forged the sword, and the goddess made Fi. The golden goddesses had no part in asking Hylia to guard the Triforce. The people of Hyrule, who were perfectly capable of using it and discovering what its powers really are, are the “old ones” and the “sages” who gave the Triforce to Hylia to guard and forged the Master Sword with her.

 

Link with the Master Sword (LttP) Curiously similar to certain scenes in Skyward Sword…

 
The goddesses did not leave the Triforce on purpose, as Zelda herself said, but the people of Hyrule who originally found it must have created a meaning for its existence. They themselves chose to see it as hope for all mortal beings in a world of terror where they were in such desperate need of hope. This accidental creation was ruining their lives as forces of evil began killing in their hunger for it. They needed to believe that there was a good intention behind its creation, and so they decided to believe the goddesses left it behind for them. I think that Hylia knew better, which is why Zelda contradicts herself in her speech.

 
If the goddesses didn’t give Hylia the Triforce, what is her relationship to the Major Gods of the Hyrulian Pantheon? I think that this can be better understood if we look again at Demise and at the Triforce itself.

 
Zelda said, “The gods created the Triforce, yet they specifically designed it so that their own kind could never use its power.” Demise is more powerful than Hylia, hence why she could not kill him herself, clearly god-like himself. He is the God of Hate, the eternal force behind all evil in Hyrule. How, then, could he use the Triforce if Hylia cannot? I think that he is not one of “their kind”. He is a demonic God, cut of a darker cloth you could say. Perhaps he is part mortal, or perhaps he is just not the same kind of God as the others.

 
Hylia must have been cut from the same cloth as the goddesses since she could not use the Triforce. Perhaps she, too, came from the distant nebula where they came from. What is confusing is the fact that she doesn’t know them, and therefore couldn’t be a fourth sister. We don’t know what the goddess Hylia looked like in her immortal form, beyond that she was female and possibly had wings. Perhaps she was golden herself, like the three goddesses.

 
Multiple times it is said that the three goddesses are the “gods of old” or the “old gods”. Hylia must, then, be younger somehow than the goddesses. Maybe she is their child, or simply a being from the same divine place who found their creation after they had already left it. It would have been so much like its creators that no doubt a young goddess far from her home would have been attracted to its familiarity.

 
Hylia could not have been full goddess, however, because there is no record of the goddesses ever suffering injury. They are all powerful. Hylia tells Link, however, that she was gravely injured in her battle with Demise and knew that were he to break free again she wouldn’t be able to stop him. This is why she sacrificed her immortality to become human and keep the seal strong until Link could defeat Demise himself. Hylia, then, is more divine than Demise, hence her inability to use the Triforce, but less divine than the goddesses due to her ability to be injured or weakened.

 
Now, with an understanding of Hylia’s relationship to the goddesses, Demise, the Triforce, and the Master Sword itself, we can look at one last very important subject: the nature of Hylia’s powers.

 
She can create life in a sense, as she created Fi to live in the Master Sword. She is shown to have wielded it herself in the fight against Demise after the Hylians were sent to the sky. I wonder if the creation of the Dark Master Sword was in response to this, and if Demise didn’t create Ghirahim in an attempt to counter Fi. This would explain Ghirahim’s imperfections. He has wild emotions and is insane, which is very counter to the analytical nature and sound logic of Fi. If it is true that Ghirahim and the Dark Master Sword were created in response to Fi and the Goddess Sword, it makes sense that Ghirahim would be the opposite of what the goddess created, and perhaps imperfect himself as his creator and master is not as divine as Hylia.

 
In addition to her ability to create life, the goddess Hylia has something to do with time. This, I think, is the most fascinating part about her powers. Somehow she could look through time and know that Link was going to be born, what he would be like, and what she needed to do to help him. Every time you learn a new goddess song she says “I am the one that guides you from the edge of time.”

 
Think about it. If Hylia is the true Goddess of Time spoken of in Majora’s Mask, it would make sense that she gave up her divine form and can still hear Link’s prayers in Majora’s Mask. She could look “from the edge of time” before Skyward Sword happened, see Link’s prayer, and make sure that the song of time has different properties in the land of Termina. It would also make sense that Zelda would know about her, and that she would be watching over Link in all of her incarnations. He is, after all, HER chosen hero.

 

Link plays the Song of Time in Majora’s Mask

 
All of this could be done from the edge of time, before she gives up her immortality. This would also explain why we do not see the goddess of time or any depictions of her, as memory of her would fade more with the passage of time. The people learn of the three goddesses and the Triforce, and the goddess is now human. They begin to focus their worship on the goddesses of the Triforce that saved them, and less on the goddess who is no longer directly present in their lives. The royal family, descended from her, would not forget, but the people very well could. After some time, even the royal family could forget where they came from as well.

 
One last thing that Hylia being the Goddess of Time reborn explains is Princess Zelda’s premonitions. Of course the reborn goddess of time would have visions of the future and other special abilities. A great example is the moment when she allows Link to see her message in the past when he first touches the Ocarina of Time.

 

After receiving Zelda’s message, Link pulls the Master Sword from the pedestal of time.

 
Hylia is the Goddess of Time, and a major god in the Hyrulian Pantheon on par with Demise. At first her existence seems to cause many inconsistencies with legends and lore we have previously learned in the Zelda Myths. Some of these include the creation of the Master Sword, the nature of the Triforce, the solitary existence of the Golden Goddesses as the deities of Hyrule, and Farore or Nayru as the Goddess of Time. Further inspection, however, reveals that Hylia in fact answers the mysteries in all of these topics and shows us new things to discover and question.

 
There is only one more thing that Hylia did that we have not discussed: her role in the creation of the Cycle. Zelda says:

 
“That brings us back to you… To face Demise and give the land hope, the goddess, Hylia, needed someone with an unbreakable spirit. That someone is you, Link. But spirit alone wasn’t enough. You had to overcome many trials and awaken the hero within yourself so that you could wield that supreme power. And so Hylia… I mean, so I… I knew that if it meant saving Zelda, you would throw yourself headfirst into any danger, without even a moment’s doubt…I…I used you.”

 
She almost forced Link to become the hero whose spirit Demise will always fight. She started the bloodline of the goddess. Were it not for her actions, Demise would not have anyone to struggle against for eternity. But Hylia is divine and her creations, the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero, will live forever much like she would have and like Demise will. In a way this was the Goddess of Time’s first mistake. But, also, in a way she is the one we all need to thank for the Legend of Zelda which is so dear to so many of us.

 
PREVIEW OF ARTICLE 10:
This is finally the end of our discussion on the Hyrulian Pantheon. We have talked about Hyrulian Cosmology, their major gods, minor gods, demi-gods, spirits, and evil gods. We have also tackled the monkey wrench that is Hylia, and revealed that she is the key that solves so many problems. Now we need to talk about Hyrule’s divine mortal heroes—Link and Zelda themselves.

 

Author: The Wolfess

Jennie Marie, also called The Wolfess, is getting her Masters of Fine Arts in Poetry at Eastern Washington University. She is the author of a three-book Zelda fan fiction, The Doppelganger Trilogy and does freelance articles for Zelda websites. The Wolfess has written such articles as Zelda Wii Needs An Anti-Hero, Skyward Sword’s Art Style: Straddling the Line or Walking a New Path, and a ten-part series on The Hyrulian Pantheon currently running at ZeldaDungeon.net.


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  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.hayes.775 Eric Hayes

    love these articles, i cant wait till the next one is up.

  • JeredenDonnar

    First!!! I will never do this again, and you’ll hate me, but it is a matter of pride. Great Article!! love the wolfess!

    • H37I

      if we just check the newest comments option on the discussion button we would already see the oldest/ first comment. there’s no need for “first!” especially if you’re THIRD.

  • pickleslkw

    My head is spinning!!!! Love learning about this stuff!

  • H37I

    so this article basically says that hylia is the goddess of time. i practically forgot about the goddess of time when it came to the hyrulian pantheon, so this naturally became a very interesting read.

  • http://www.zeldadungeon.net/ DA LAWLZ

    TREE GODDESSES :3 also, couldnt Demise kinda be like the devil, which is said to have been an angel first? couldnt he have been the center of the triforce?

    • Rob

      4 if you believe in the Tetraforce

      • Linkfan99

        shouldn’t it be the quadriforce, since tri- and quadri- are both Latin prefixes, but tetra- is a Greek prefix?

        • soul

          remember tetra from the wind waker?

          • Linkfan99

            but why on earth would tetra be named “four”?

        • Pizzaman

          tetraforce sounds cooler.

      • soul

        Hylia could be the 4th goddess!

        • Hylia (aka HEY!)

          Nobody listens to me, and yet my username is “HEY!”. I’m changing it to Hylia as of now. Also because a roleplay character of mine has that name. :3
          I believe in the Tetraforce; I don’t care how many people vote this comment down. I think Hylia is the fourth goddess.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001973829708 Aaron Warren

            About the time the article says “Maybe she is their child”, I had an explosive epiphany.
            First, I’ll just build off of what DA LAWLZ said, maybe Demise and Hylia
            are both spawn or at least creations of the three Golden Goddesses. Who
            ever said that the children of light-aligned goddesses had to be good
            themselves? Take a look at Greek/Roman mythology. Demise and Hylia could
            very well be two sides to the same coin, seeing as their divinity is so
            closely matched.
            My own sudden realization was this: we entrust
            our sons and daughters (not mine, I’m 15 X3) with our future; we put
            our HOPE in them. Assuming Hylia was indeed spawned by the Golden
            Goddesses, then let’s say her purpose was to instill HOPE in the people.
            In the whole Minish Cap/Four Swords dealio, Vaati wants the “Light
            Force” from within the princess. Hylia/Zelda is always aiding the hero
            and telling him he is the people’s HOPE. Surely our hero could not
            defeat the Hatred if he did not have HOPE!I’m prodding at Hylia being
            the fourth Golden Goddess holding the Triforce of Hope!

          • ZSTroubadour

            Honestly, I don’t think Nintendo intended it to be that complex. I think its just supposed to be; “Demise is the evil guy, Zelda is he reincarnation of a goddess, and Link has to save her and the world.” It can be fun to put thought into it, but honestly I doubt Nintendo puts as much thought into it as some of the fans do.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001973829708 Aaron Warren

            Yes, but coming up with your own story is a good part of the fun.

          • Name

            Yeah, I think that for every game nintendo just made what we see, and very little more – it’s all logical, it fits together, it’s a good story, what more? And then, fans start speculating and inventing and making the Hyrulian Pantheon and things like that.

            PS where does it ssay that Hylua/Zelda cant use the triforse? Apart from “their own kind cannot use it”, and nowhere is hylia explicitly stated to be “their own kind”.

          • Hello I am a ChuChu

            It doesn’t matter much anyway, since she knew from a very long time ago that she wouldn’t. I mean, when she gave up her immortality, she supposedly looked into the future to see Link(or Baba-Boy, depending on whether you use their name or your own nickname for Link)and that he would be the right person to be her hero, she designed it-or at least saw that it fit-so that he would use the Triforce…Or, fine, the tetraforce if you really believe in it. So she never intended to use it anyway, and personally, I don’t think she would if she could have. It had to be protected on Skyloft during the war, and Link could handle it better should the time come that he must.
            This is just a really loose theory, people, I haven’t put much thought into it. And really, Nintendo didn’t go that deep. Go us, for having so many ideas and theories.

          • Name

            BUT There are two big problems with all the theories here.

            1. Hylia created tow plans and set them both into motion just after defeating demise, and one plan was to be reborn as a mortal – yet thousands of years later she’s still only about, say, 13? She could not have been reborn just after defeating Demise, yet she explicitly stated that she did. You can specualte all you want that she sacrificed her immortal form first and only was reborn around the same time as link, I think it’s still a very big problem.

            Second, and MOST IMPORTANT: In Zelda’s room (climb to where Mia was, clawshot the chimney and crawl to get a piece of heart in the wardrobe) if you look in FP view at her desk, there’s a figrine of Tingle!!!!! It couldn’t have been there by chance! It needs an explanation!!!!

            PS I’m gonna change my name, what do you think is better: “RandomUsername”, “blank”, or “Name required”?

          • Kloo Limpah!

            I beleive that tingle must be a servant of Hylia. He is a part of the cycle, like Hylia, the chosen hero, and Demises reincarnation. Tingle appears in multiple games in different eras of hyrule. He even appears in Termina! Tingle can read old hylian in WW, as seen by his abIlity to translate maps. Lets not forget the Tingle doll in Zelda’s room!

          • Nayruforever758

            thank goodness I’m not the only one who thinks that.

      • soul

        Hylia could be the 4th goddess!

  • JeredenDonnar

    The more and more I read this, the more it makes sense. I really hope Nintendo doesn’t complely upends this great theory with something of their own…i hate it when stuff like that happens…lets hope nothing contradictory comes from Hyrule Historia. Wonder if you tell them about this, maybe they’d listen! but seriously folks….this pantheon could totally be canonized.

  • Mseevers95

    I have an idea on the Creation story. It isn’t a theory but an alternate telling within my story.

    Ghirahim is telling the creation story to young Ganon.
    He puts blame on the three goddesses for the Gerudo tribe being condemned to the desert. But he doesn’t stop there. He calls them lower beings to Demise who perverted his original creation, the chaos that Hyrule had originally been and banished His chosen people to the desert, the tribe.
    He also says that because the Goddesses needed a guardian of the Triforce they murdered Hylia which is what made her mortal.

    But considering Ghirahim tells this story it can’t be trusted.

    • Name

      About ghirahim: yes, certanly the dark master sword and ghirahim are againts Fi and MS (I even though it might be cool to have Fi fighting against ghirahim the 3rd time). HOWEVER:
      His “imperfections” are what I love about him, and if he were to fight Fi he’d defeat her in 30 seconds – unless she is invinsible herself (but she has NO attacks, unless the skyward strike).

      On a side-note, when you hit a technoblin sword it hurts one heart. Same for all other electric things. When you are struck by lighning in the Demise battle it not only doesn’t hurt, it actually charges up your sword!! Why isn’t it the same with techniblins, or even hitting Demise’s sword?!

  • The Wanderer

    What’s cool about this article is that it’s not just interesting and well-thought-out, but it makes sense. Nintendo said somewhere (probably either Iwata Asks or Hyrule Historia) that they laid out entire backstories for some of the characters in Skyward Sword, and it’s not hard for me to imagine some of that backstory basically involving everything you’ve pointed out. Hylia is the key, not the problem herself.

  • Letsrant!

    The Goddesses could be likened to the Titans. They’re the Old Ones. Hylia, in some ways, fills the role of Zeus and his progeny by being the deities of the current generation. The Goddesses, at the point of TP/TWW, appear to make an unexplained return to Hyrule. There’s the chance that the Goddesses in those game are merely the Triforce being misconstrued as the personal entities called Goddesses, but that depends on whether you’re a Golden Goddess minimalist or Golden Goddess maximalist.

    Oh, Zelda, your theological questions are way more entertaining than life’s.

  • BTT

    There are a few logical fallacies here and there, but otherwise this is fairly well thought out.

  • BlackRaven6695

    Thanks for sharing this nice theory with us but that bit with the Sages, and not the Golden Goddesses, being the ones to ask Hylia to guard the Triforce…

    Your reason to think this hinges on the fact that Hylia/Zelda was given the Triforce to guard and knew what it was but didn’t know why it was made. The thing is, is it too much of stretch to think that the Golden Goddesses instructed Hylia to guard the Triforce but didn’t explain it’s origin? It isn’t for me, anyway. The Golden Goddesses are clearly on a higher tier than her so it would make sense that she would follow their orders without question.

    Your theory certainly isn’t out of the question but it could be a lot simpler than that. I do like how to tied it with the backstory of A Link to the Past, though.

    • Name

      Agreed. But ALttP is optional – if you’re getting there why not make up a nice M-theory that ties up all the different games?

  • Random Zelda fan

    So that means that the role of the Three Godesses in the Legend of Zelda Series was just creating the world and accidentally leaving the Triforce?And because of Hylia sacrificing her immotality people forgot her and boasted the Three Godesses for something they didn’t!?
    Just humans being humans… :’(

    • Name

      And goddeses having some 5-minute fun creating a world, and forgetting it…

      PS a cool theory would be that the 3 goddeses createx lots of worlds, with similarities, and maybe links between them… That would explaining the dramatic differences between the wolrds, peaple, etc. – and even in triforce nature, eg in OoT it’s really hard to get, and grants ultimate power, while in SS you egt it yourself, and thenfigth demise and the triforce doesn’t help with even a single heart.

  • HEY!

    You’re forgetting that Hylia made herself mortal.

    • HEY!

      I mean, there’s something wrong with this, but I just can’t place it. Please disregard my previous comment.

  • Dark Majora

    sages made godess sword but named master sword hylia new it was incomplete so link makes it master sword

  • RodrigoMK388

    We know the Zelda series are always somehow going backwards rather than going on with further stories. Maybe, on a later console if not maybe on the WiiU itself, we will be given a Zelda game devious to the others, one where Link is no Hero or mentioned, one where we control Hylia herself and fight once again… or rather for the first time the very Demise from Skyward Sword, on a much powerful form, he was said to be weak and way he was (after all he was a pussy, no fight about it, right?) After all, Hylia was mentioned to be a fighter, or warrior herself and Guardian, Remember zelda wielding a sword in Twilight Princess? Rumors has it that we will see a reboot of the zelda series sooner than we think. anyone with me here? LIke if you do!

    • True, true…

      And maybe the gap in the triforce or being a part of it is more like a title rather than something final, maybe ANY God who makes a sacrifice creates something immense: Like land, laws of physics and life itself has the title to be know or gives them the position of finding a true Legacy, meaning Hylia or even Demise could create something worthy of remembering that grants them the eternal peace one gets when one dies, decend into the skies and leave a trace of their recognition (A part of the triforce) and since Hylia is among humans and demise is too and none seems to have the true potential yet noone has or did find their true legacy and their magics are still premature since no one can create the perfect life form or land out of thin air like Farore and Din, and time travel seems weak on the Hylia part too, I know she might have not created time travel but we are not told she didnt either, after all she watches on the edge of time which is a way around an explanations saying little to nothing about it..

  • Guest

    Skayward Sword manga…. read the prequel.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Boss.Odio Bryan Odio

    Read the Skyward Sword manga yo.

  • Derick Matthews

    maybe din farore and nayru were aliens and demise and hylia are sons and daughters of them and therefore are two sides of the same coin hylia good demise evil. The original “godesses” left the triforce as a weapon to be wielded by hylia against demise. The hylians may have been “surface” natives and their “legends” about the three goddesses are the “surface” natives used to rationalize their culture as has been done with thor as god of thunder in norse mythology as a rationale for thunder and other things in nature

    • Pizzaman

      I just don’t like that idea. It seems to ruing the whole “magic” effect of the storyline.

  • mwc1985

    First I want to say that this is a very good article, and it was given a lot of time and thought by The Wolfess. I’m not saying that this is wrong but I think that it’s giving Nintendo too much credit to say they intricately planned out the theology and history of Hyrule and worked each game into one another. I think it is more a case of Nintendo forgetting what they have said in the past, and deciding last minute to try and tie the games together. As disappointing as it may be I think that each game should be looked at as its own entity.

    Or we could just wait and see if the English version of the Hyrule Historia clears things up a bit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chilmaster101 William Alexander

    Then again, she would be able to see that if she were to stay immortal, the her being would be utterly destroyed (making all that’s left of hylia a useless spirit, as she’s forced wait and see what happens) and Demise would conquer all of hyrule, taking the godesses by surprise (most likely). So it’s better (for all of hyrule) that she became mortal, and making Link struggle with Demise for Eternity. Or, maybe, she saw that this decision could possiblely anhillerate ALL of Demise, in some way.

  • Nintendofreakcjm1

    How is the tale of Hylia confusing? I understood all of it with ease, all of SS in fact.

  • Justin

    I have enjoyed your articles in this series and look forward to new installments. However, your blatant disregard for the official timeline in this article is disturbing to me. The imprisoning War spoke of in LttP is clearly the final battle in OoT where Link dies while fighting Ganon after the tower collapses. The Seven Sages are clearly the Six Sages + Zelda who is left standing there watching Link die. She summons the other sages and seals Ganon away in the sacred realm where he is able to claim the Triforce.

    • The Wolfess

      LttPhas several backstories in it that all take place at different times. It’s the first game to talk aboutthe creation of the world and the triforce, for example. Two other stories it tells are the imprisoning war, which it tells in a very different way from Ocarina of Time, and the making of the master sword. I didn’t discuss the imprisoning war tale because it has no bearing on this article. The imprisoning war took place after. Ocarina of Time, the time period refered to by LttP, also had an already-created master sword, though it doesn’t give us as much of a history as LttP did. This article discusses the LttP Master Sword legend specifically.

  • http://Legendarysmith.deviantart.com/ ArabDiSASTER

    I Don’t see why the three Goddesses have to be golden… they appeared as sages and human form in minish cap and the oracle games…

  • Roderic_the_Breton

    I don’t think Hylia necessarily is any less powerful than the other three Goddesses (especially if She’s the Goddess of Time). I think she had to sacrifice much of Her powers to descend and live amongst the pre-Hylians. Think about it; if Hylia used Her full power in the battle with Demise She’d probably destroy the world.

  • http://www.zeldadungeon.net/ bob

    I really do think this article is better then all the other ones in the hylian panethyon (sorry for mispelling) I really dpo hope u continue t make more articles because this was excelent

  • claud3

    Excellent article… its amazing how one game series, has so many hidden history

  • qaz123

    lets compare zelda to kim kardashin they both use men to get what they want and they both have to be saved whether its from gannon or form or from lose her tv show and lose her status as a celebrity;]

    • qaz123

      sorry about that zelda ill never compare to kim again.

  • Matheus

    Just wanna to point one thing, pay atention at the number of people in the image related to the “old ones” entrusting the Triforce to Hilya: 7 people… 7 sages…
    Hey anyone?

  • Anonymous

    I am confused by the sages. If the 7 sages that forged the master sword are the same sages in TP and OOT then there should only be 6 sages.

  • Roth

    If Hylia hadn’t given Demise anyone to struggle against for eternity, wouldn’t that mean he’d win? Just sayin’. Tragic, pitting Hyrule against Demise forever, but perhaps all that could be done. Of course, depending on how you interpret Demise’s curse, it’s more about human nature amidst divine powers…

  • cw2sage

    I would like to ask, if Demise is a demon god could he be the upside down/uncoloured part of the triforce. The part in the middle? I’ve noticed with Zelda: Everything is symbolic. I was just wondering about that given the previous read.

  • Neutopia

    That’s awesome, thanks for the great article, I always learn so much when you submit one of these, I look forward to the next installment! :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/Boss.Odio Bryan Odio

    I want the next one already!!!! <3

  • Name

    “tetraforce”, not “tetra force”. “Tetra force” is more like Tetra’s power (you know, Tetra from WW and PH).

  • HeroOfAll

    It is fair to assume that all will be explained in Hyrule Hystoria.

  • Linksmahomie

    When you think about it the Spirit of the Hero is the all mighty power. What else could match POWER,WISDOM,and COURAGE you ask? HOPE, HOPE my friends is the all mighty power out matching these three by far.
    When you look at it Link manages to to completely destroy the evil that is POWER. He has the ability to outwit anything and anyone giving him WISDOM, and has the will to keep on going and fight until the very end thus is COURAGE.
    And what gives him the ability to do all these things? as i just mention it is HOPE, HOPE of the Spirit of the Hero gives Link the divine spirit of believing he can overcome the trials before him HOPE allows Link to believe in himself no matter what.
    I’m not saying anything about HOPE being the missing piece of the Triforce(Tetraforce).
    Do i believe that there is a Tetraforce yes and no. No because there is a reason it is called the “TRI”force “tri” is a latin prefix for 3 and that middle triangle piece/gap is simply mathmatics.
    Yes because i believe that the Fierce Deity or Oni Link is the male God who did not give up his Physical form but also had nothing to do with creation of the world. But i’m confused with this because Oni Link could also be Link counterpart of Termina. the Tetraforce is just to complicated and has never EVER! been mentioned by Nintendo what so ever. But who no’s maybe they’ll agree to this fanbased theory and use it to their advantage for a new zelda game :D . yes i talk to much :P

  • Jack

    There is one thing about the goddesses never getting hurt. In twilight princess they have their light stolen from them. Also, in twilight princess there are 4 godesses and one of them, the first one you meet, seems less powerful than the others. She also is closer to the village than any of the godesses, like Hylia. This might be a future version of hylia. I say this because the entarnce to the temple of time is very similar to to the godess’ shrine

  • Delpheas

    I love the part about the Master Sword. Makes perfect sense.

  • Cat

    You rather lost me when you started to make comments stating that Hylia/Zelda is the Goddess of Time and hence all other Zeldas are her blood-lined descendants. Then again, I’d rather completely forget about SS Zelda.